By OBBM Network Editorial Staff

Derived from an episode of Church and State.

What if the forces behind terrorism and Marxist ideology were quietly joining forces to reshape American schools, media and politics? That unsettling scenario frames the conversation between host Caleb Collier and Dr. Carol Lieberman on the latest installment of Church and State.

From 9/11 to a New Threat Landscape

Dr. Lieberman, a board‑certified psychiatrist who describes herself as a “terrorist therapist,” traces her work back to the September 11 attacks. She recounts traveling to sites of subsequent attacks – London’s 7/7 bombing in 2005, Manchester, Paris and, most recently, Israel after the October 7 assault – to help victims cope. She argues that while the scale of attacks has changed, the danger has become more insidious: “terrorists have been gathering influence in education and in politics and in media.”

According to Lieberman, this shift is evident in everyday life. She points to the daily Muslim call to prayer in Manhattan and similar practices in Dearborn, Michigan, Texas and Florida as signs of a cultural change that began after 9/11. While she clarifies that “not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims,” she asserts that many Muslims have not actively countered extremist narratives.

The Alleged Alliance of Terrorism and Marxism

Lieberman warns that a “strange bedfellow” relationship is forming between extremist Islamist groups and Marxist or communist movements. She describes both as sharing a single goal: “to destroy America.” In her view, the partnership is strategic, allowing each side to tap into the other’s recruitment channels and political influence.

She notes that this alliance has manifested in policy discussions and school curricula. “They’re teaching Marxism, they’re teaching terrorism, they’re teaching kids to hate America,” she says, linking these educational trends to broader cultural shifts such as the rise of transgender ideology, which she frames as part of the same agenda to erode the traditional American family.

Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities as a Countermeasure

Amid the perceived cultural onslaught, Councilman Caleb Collier proposes a concrete political response: a proclamation declaring Spokane Valley a Second Amendment sanctuary city. While the transcript does not detail the legal mechanics, Collier’s suggestion reflects a growing movement among local officials to assert gun‑rights protections in response to perceived federal overreach.

This local initiative is presented as part of a larger strategy to “bring back the love of America, the patriotism, which has been dying a slow death.” Collier and Lieberman argue that reinstating the flag in classrooms and encouraging students to salute the national anthem are symbolic yet powerful steps to counter the alleged infiltration.

Patriotism, Family, and the Role of Faith

Both guests emphasize the importance of family and faith as bulwarks against the cultural shifts they describe. Lieberman recounts her own experience serving in the United States Marine Corps during 9/11, recalling the “smells” and emotions that have stayed with her. Collier shares a personal anecdote about his grandfather’s flag at a summer home on Lake Mayopack in New York, illustrating how flag rituals once anchored community identity.

They argue that restoring these traditions can rekindle a sense of national unity. “Anyone who loves the principles of freedom and liberty has to understand, has to identify the enemy here, and has to do battle against them,” Collier asserts, positioning the fight as a moral and patriotic duty rather than a partisan crusade.

Implications for Policy and Civic Engagement

The conversation underscores a broader call to action for citizens across the political spectrum. Whether one identifies as Republican, Constitutionalist or Libertarian, the guests claim that the threat transcends party lines and demands a unified response.

By framing the issue as both a security concern and a cultural battle, the discussion invites policymakers to consider measures that reinforce traditional values—such as protecting Second Amendment rights, promoting patriotic education, and supporting families rooted in faith. It also challenges community leaders to confront what they describe as an “inside job” that threatens the nation’s foundational principles.

In sum, the dialogue on Church and State paints a picture of an America at a crossroads, where the convergence of extremist ideologies and shifting cultural norms prompts a renewed emphasis on patriotism, family, and faith as the cornerstone of resistance.

The full episode of Church and State is available on OBBM Network TV.