By OBBM Network Editorial Staff

Derived from an episode of Church and State.

When a city council member declares his town a “Second Amendment sanctuary,” you know the conversation is about to get loud, funny, and oddly philosophical—all in one sitting.

Sanctuary City Proposal Sparks Local Debate

Councilman Caleb Collier opened the segment by urging Spokane Valley to issue a proclamation that would label the city a Second Amendment sanctuary. He framed the move as a straightforward defense of constitutional rights, saying, “I’m proposing that the city of Spokane Valley issue a proclamation stating that our city is a Second Amendment sanctuary city.” The proposal reflects a growing trend among municipalities seeking to assert local authority over gun‑ownership regulations.

Collier’s call to action was paired with a request for listeners to sign up for the show’s newsletter and receive a personal phone call from him, underscoring his hands‑on approach to community outreach. While the sanctuary effort is the centerpiece, the discussion quickly veered into broader cultural commentary.

From Rod Blagojevich to Liberty Mutual: Marketing Meets Faith

The hosts highlighted a controversial 30‑minute sermon by former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, noting that despite its profane language, the former politician “loved Jesus.” They used the clip to illustrate how even outspoken figures can find a place in faith‑focused media.

Later, the conversation turned to a peculiar Liberty Mutual marketing stunt involving a yellow, fuzzy mascot dubbed the “Liberty Bibberty.” The hosts described how the mascot, a round ball wearing the Statue of Liberty’s crown, sparked a protest in Boston that drew over 600,000 viewers online. One commentator quipped, “I could see the marketing people at Liberty Mutual having a stroke of genius. There’s no such thing as bad publicity,” echoing the show’s blend of humor and critique.

The Mandela Effect and the Soviet Flag Mystery

Switching gears, Collier and his co‑host tackled the Mandela Effect, focusing on a disputed detail of the Soviet flag. Collier asked, “I remember the flag on the top I don’t remember the flag on the bottom. I don’t recall a star ever being above the hammer and sickle,” prompting a brief Google search that showed the flag consistently featuring a five‑pointed star above the emblem.

The segment used this visual discrepancy to explore how collective memory can be reshaped, especially when political symbols are involved. The hosts argued that the star represents communist leadership, a reminder that the ideology promised equality but often delivered oligarchy.

Faith, Funding, and Future Production Plans

Throughout the show, Collier reflected on the challenges of financing faith‑based media and discussed upcoming appearances with the McCloskey couple, known for their high‑profile stand during the 2020 St. Louis protests.

Collier also announced a rebranding effort for the program, including a move to a new studio and higher production values. He described the transition as “going from what we have now to like Sean Ryan level,” promising listeners a visual upgrade while assuring them his core message will remain unchanged.

Why These Conversations Matter

The blend of local ordinance proposals, pop‑culture critique, and theological reflection illustrates how community leaders like Collier navigate a landscape where politics, faith, and media intersect. By championing a sanctuary proclamation, questioning corporate marketing tactics, and dissecting historical memory, the show invites listeners to consider how everyday decisions echo larger cultural battles.

As Spokane Valley weighs its next steps, the broader lesson is clear: civic engagement is most effective when it embraces both serious policy and the quirky moments that shape public discourse.

The full episode of Church and State is available on OBBM Network TV.